Thursday, February 17, 2011

REVIEW - Yamaha CLP430, CLP440, CLP470, CLP480 Clavinova Pianos - Very Nice

UPDATED REVIEW - March 11, 2013 - I really like Yamaha acoustic & digital pianos (I have two of them in my music studio incl one acoustic Yamaha - left pic) The Yamaha Clavinova CLP400 series digital pianos are very nice instruments overall with some fine key action and piano sound upgrades. These newer 400 series models came out in early 2011 so are slightly older technology than newer digital pianos from Kawai, Roland, & Casio, but they're still beautifu and are current models with all new furniture cabinets. The older CLP300 series which had been out for awhile are discontinued now. The newer Yamaha models include the CLP430 (approx $2999 retail US), CLP440 (approx $3899 retail US), CLP470 (approx $4799 retail US), & CLP480 (approx $6999 retail US). Polished ebony cabinets are available in all models and are priced about $700+ higher than non-polished ebony. You can figure the store discount prices should be about 20-25% off retail prices (give or take) depending on the dealer, model, and availability. These instruments get better as you go up the line with better piano tone, better piano touch, more features, better internal audio system, and nicer cabinets.

New CLP440 white
When you are paying $2500, $3000, $4000, and more for one of these new CLP's, you expect them to be great and they do sound impressive. The Yamaha company, like all brands of digital pianos use special words or phrases they have made up to describe their tone or touch technology and some of these phrases sound very impressive in their literature and write-ups. Yamaha has descriptive words such as Intelligent Acoustic Control (IAC), GRE, Smooth Release, Linear Graded Hammers, and Soundboard Speaker. Roland has SuperNATURAL Piano, Kawai says Progressive Harmonic Imaging, and Kurzweil says Triple Strike Piano.

But for me as someone who has played hundreds of different digital pianos over the years, words are meaningless because at the end of the day, your enjoyment level will not be based on words, but on reality instead. Does the piano you purchased feel like and sound like a piano to you? Does it make you happy when you play it and hear it? Will it reproduce the kind of music you like when you play the piano? Those are the real questions that you need to ask when purchasing any piano. Descriptive words used to define technologies and various models do give you a point of reference, but you must judge a piano by its own merit and not by the words used to describe it. I did like the new acoustic piano sounds and nuances that come along with it. They are very nice although sound and touch ultimately is quite subjective based on one's own piano playing and listening experiences.

I did notice something on the CLP430 & CLP440 which bothered me a bit. The  GH3 (the number 3 stands for a 3rd key sensor key which is a good thing) action is somewhat overly stiff or resistant in my opinion when you play the keys lightly or softly across the keyboard. However the CLP470 & 480 wooden key action seems to be better and I don't notice that issue at all based on my experiences with them. Yamaha tries to design their CLP key actions to emulate an acoustic piano, as all good piano manufacturers try to do. But when you play a real acoustic upright piano, the keys get progressively and slightly easier to push down as you move up the keyboard from left to right. This is a necessary part of key action design. The CLP key action is 'graded' in weight and overall does get progressively easier as you move up the keyboard, but the general heaviness of the keys on the CLP430 & CLP440 is still noticeable, at least to me. This may not be apparent to the average person when playing the new CLP piano, but if you played a good Yamaha (or other good brands) acoustic upright piano and compared it with these specific CLP digital pianos, you would probably notice the difference.

The pianos have good volume output, especially the CLP480 with a gazillion watts of total volume! Actually the 480 has a total of 200 watts of power into multiple built-in speakers which will just blow you away if you want that high volume and also puts out quality tone with low volume too. The CLP480 also has over 500 instrument sounds to choose from as compared with just 28 on the CLP470. And the CLP480 is the only model of the bunch that can play & record General MIDI song files through 16 individual instrument tracks which helps with learning, practice, and is a lot of fun to play along with. Too bad you gotta get the top model to experience the General MIDI and multiple instrument 16 track sound and playback features. The CLP470 should have those features as well considering that model sells for well over $3000. Even some of Yamaha's least expensive piano keyboards ($799 internet price) have General MIDI song playback & recording and hundreds of nice instrument sounds available, but Yamaha obviously knew what they were doing by making people pay more money and forcing them up to the CLP480 if they wanted those cool features.

All models have attractive, sturdy cabinets with front legs (above left), nice ivory feel keys (all except CLP430), USB flash drive device input for audio .wav file and basic MIDI piano song play (does not play General MIDI song files except for CLP480) and overall very good key 'feel' and piano sound. Yamaha says they have reproduced the sound, touch, and pedal nuances found in fine acoustic pianos with their new technology in this improved 400 series of digital pianos. I would agree they have done a very nice job of this and for some intermediate to advanced players, or students wanting to get to an advanced level, this would be a nice benefit. But for many families who are looking for a good, solid digital piano as a form of recreation and enjoyment for less money, there are certainly other options that would still give people high quality, many useful educational features, and an attractive cabinet as well.

The lowest priced Clavinova model is the CLP430 which sells on average for somewhere between $2000-$2300 US at Yamaha piano stores. However, the Kawai piano company has a newer digital piano for the US & Canadian market called the CE220 at $1899US internet price (left pic), which in my opinion, outperforms the Yamaha CLP430 and for less money.  The Kawai CE220 has actual acoustic piano full length wooden keys (left pic) with graduated weighted key action, 192-notes of polyphony, 3 traditional full functioning pedals with half-damper control, 100 pro rhythm patterns for rhythm and timing training, 22 very impressive instrument sounds, 4-hand duet play function, and comes in an attractive satin black furniture style cabinet with bench. And to think all that is just $1899 is pretty amazing. I have played and listened extensively to the Kawai CE220 and it is really outstanding for its lower price. You would need to go up to the CLP470 before you get the higher polyphony and wood keys. The CE220 also has USB flash drive input to save recorded MIDI songs, USB to computer/iPad output, stereo audio inputs & outputs, and some other very cool features. Take a look at my CE220 review here: Kawai CE220 Piano Review

Yamaha CLP440 digital piano polished ebony
As I mentioned a bit before, for the higher amount of money these pianos cost, the Yamaha 400 series pianos (specs left and lower left pics) also have a noticeable lack of instruments on three of the CLP models as compared with other brands at similar prices, which may or may not be important to you. There are just 14 of instrument tones in the CLP430, 28 in the CLP440, 28 in the CLP470, and over 500 instruments in the CLP480. The models with 14-28 instrument tones do have very good quality instrument sounds and are quite enjoyable such as electric pianos, harpsichord, acoustic guitar, organs, etc. Roland offers 337 quality  instruments on its HP line of pianos and even their less expensive RP301R ($1999) has many more instrument selections, assuming that would be an important feature to you.

Yamaha CLP440 digital piano polished ebony
CLP440 polished ebony
The CLP 430 does not have the synthetic ivory keytops like the other models do and it only has 128 notes of polyphony as compared to the CLP440, CLP470, and CLP480 with 256-note polyphony memory which is very useful and generous, especially for intermediate to advanced players. More polyphony memory allows allows for better reproduction of music when two or more instruments are combined and played at the same time (like piano & strings, etc). Most families I talk with typically want to spend less than $3000 for a digital piano so the CLP440 (above left - polished ebony) will likely be the most popular model and is vastly upgraded over the CLP430 along with a somewhat better internal sound system. The CLP440 does sound and look good, has 80 watts of power going through two speakers (which I actually thought sounded a bit mid-rangy in tone), can play and record audio WAV song files which is really nice as well as regular piano MIDI song files (no General MIDI files record or playback). It is a very good piano and looks attractive along with having the new synthetic ivory keytops. It also has Yamaha's popular GH3 (3 sensor) key action which provides for more precise piano play as opposed to the lower priced Yamaha Arius series YDP162 & 181. Click on the pics (below) for a larger size of the specs of each model.

Casio PX850 Digital Piano
If you want a furniture cabinet model in a lower price range, then you should also look at the Yamaha YDP162 ($1499US internet discount price) or new Casio Privia PX850 ($1099US internet discount price - left pic) which are very nice pianos too. The Casio PX850 compact home cabinet model in satin black has the upgraded synthetic ivory & ebony feel keys, 256-note polyphony (very high polyphony in that price range), a wav file audio recorder/player using USB flashdrive (just like on the CLP's), fairly realistic acoustic piano tone and convincing acoustic piano key action (tri-sensor key action for smoother play with 4-level stereo samples) and other cool things all in an attractive compact cabinet. (I have reviewed the Casio PX850 on my blog with the link here: Casio PX850 Review. As digital technology progresses and advances, it allows for better products at lower prices in many product categories (such as cell phones, tablets, TV's, digital pianos, etc), and such would seem to be the case in this new Casio PX850. I would also recommend in the higher price range (over $3000) the new Kawai CA65 & CA95 which are very impressive with their grand piano let-off key action and also Roland's newer HP505 & 507 which offer more sounds and the let-off grand key action like Kawai. Those models compare favorably to the Yamaha CLP470 & CLP480.

Kawai ES7 Digital Piano
Kawai ES7
Another new and unique digital piano to consider in the $2000 to $2500 price range that I really like is the new Kawai ES7 compact contemporary furniture style piano (left pic). It comes in a polished ebony finish and polished white finish and they both look attractive. The ES7 is using Kawai's newest upscale key action and 256-note polyphony acoustic piano sound technology along with having some useful digital features. This model compares favorably with the Yamaha CLP440 and actually offers quite a bit more in my opinion in terms of performance and control along with some cools features which the CLP440 does not have. This piano is a serious instrument but yet fun at the same time (a great combination). With its flexibility, compact size, and superior performance, I think the Kawai ES7 should be a serious consideration for those people who want higher quality features in a solid, attractive, and functional cabinet at a lower price. Go here to read my review of the Kawai ES7: Kawai ES7 Piano Review

The Yamaha CLP model pianos do look great, particularly the polished ebony cabinets, and sound good, especially through headphones, and for the most part, play nicely with the exception of the key touch movement on the CLP430 & CLP440 (in my opinion) being a bit stiff or resistant when playing softer and lighter. But overall, the Yamaha CLP Clavinova's are very popular and I believe most people will enjoy them very much. I also recommend you take a look at the newer Roland line of furniture cabinet digital pianos over $2000 as they are quite enjoyable to play and listen to and have some advantages over the Yamaha Clavinova's, although the Roland pianos typically cost more money than Yamaha digital pianos in US piano stores. I happen to like the Roland pianos better than the Yamaha CLP's for key action movement & sound, but that's just my opinion because once you are in the higher price range like this then sound and key action is somewhat subjective. Go to my following review to read about the new Roland digital pianos: Roland HP & LX Digital Piano Review

If you want more info on these and other pianos and lower prices than internet discounts, please email me at tim@azpianowholesale.com or call direct at 602-571-1864

 

51 comments:

  1. very good to know this,I looking for info and this vas really good. every else just tell how good everyting and never tell the bad thing. every need to know the badthing to.

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  2. and does anyone know the prices for Europe?

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  3. I maybe wrong here but what Yamaha call 'escapement or let off' is 'key off' and that was a feature on almost all of the 300 series Clavinovas and from the picutres on your review is also on the 400 series. Is this not the same feature with a different name ?

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  4. In an acoustic baby grand/grand piano, the physical nature of the key action movement is what the let-off/escapment feature refers to. It does not refer to the sound itself. This natural occurance offers much more control over one's playing on grand pianos as opposed to most acoustic upright pianos and it's (1 of the reasons) why pro's like grands. Yamaha digital pianos do not have this.

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  5. I'm looking for something as close as possible to a cabinet with the feel and sound of a concert grand. I'm not interested in the other voices etc. Would you recommend CLP-470 or HP-307?

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  6. Would recommend both but I personally like the Roland better for their key action and additional features

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  7. Hello.
    You are right. I have mixed feelings after the buy the Yamaha CLP430. The keyboard, like good, but at a very fast passages, or "throwing" chords can not just advice, it is too slow.
    With me in Poland Yamaha has a great reputation, and Kawai - but perhaps a better company in the field of piano - a little-known broad masses of people. Kawai also has a weak advertising and the Yamaha of course. Regards John

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  8. Was looking at new CLP470 for my son who is almost 6 years old instead of Yamaha U3 secondhand. He will be learning Suzuki piano method is there any disadvantages for getting a digital piano instead of acoustic? Thanks

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  9. If your son is almost 6 and is just leaning piano go for the U3 secondhand. If he continues to progress over the following years (and you have the funds) you can move up to a newer or more acoustically accurate model.

    We have put 5 children through the Suzuki method over the last 10 years and in the early years have found the quality of the keyboard is not as important.

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  10. I'm from Taiwan.
    I have no choice between CLP440 and AP620.
    Would you please gine me a recommendation?

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  11. Thanks. Finally I found someone who will tell me what the retail price is without me having to go to a store and ask someone. :)

    You don't happen to know what the retail price in Canada is, though?

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  12. "... words are meaningless because at the end of the day, your enjoyment level will not be based on words, but on reality instead."

    The problem isn't so much that words can't describe many aspects of how a DP will play (after all you are doing just that with your very nice blog entries - thanks!) it's more that Yamaha tends to obscure the reality behind their made-up technical words through over use and by not defining them very well. They also tend to release fairly dated products lately, with tiny incremental (or decremental) changes and a flurry of new technical sounding hype. They need to spend more of their energies catching up with Kawai and Roland, rather than on marketing. A good first step would be to put the AvantGrand sound in all their serious DPs, including a stage model or two.

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  13. Thanks for your helpful review. I have a Bosendorfer 220 but will be moving into an apartment where sound is an issue. I was thinking of the Yamaha 480 to do my practicing on (and then play on the grand when the pieces are ready) but the escapement issue you raise is a problem. Would you recommend the Roland over the Yamaha in that case? Have you looked at the Avantgrand pianso from Yamaha?
    Regareds...Frederic

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  14. I'm looking a digital piano (lack of space) for my son who is 8 and just learning piano. what king of piano (brand n model nbr) will you recommend? my budget would be around $1000. thanks so much.
    rgds/Maru

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  15. I am happy to give personal piano advice and recommendations if you send me an email at the email address posted on this blog. Thank you.

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  16. whatz the main difference between Kawai NC23 and Yamaha CLP470? The price is such a huge difference. Appreciate if you can share your view. Thanks ya

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  17. You are welcome to email me directly for information concerning your piano qustions

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  18. I have a clp440 and I'm very satisfied with it.
    It's not a cheap option, but it's one of the best "medium" priced d-pianos out there.

    The sound is very convincing. You have string resonance even without damper.
    You have key-off samples, which makes all the difference when playing staccato.
    You have 4 dynamic level samples, which also makes a huge difference from the 3 level models.

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  19. Dear friend,
    Please suggest me the best piano in comparison with CLP 440 yamaha or better make within the price band width for our church purpose
    Best regards
    Samuel Gunachandran
    guna235@yahoo.com

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  20. Hello Samuel. Please read my piano comparison review at the link below. This should help you.

    http://azpianonews.blogspot.com/2011/09/review-kawai-cn43-roland-hp305-yamaha.html

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  21. Hello. We have a bosendorfer grand that we must sell because we will be moving to Japan where the humidity and space will be an issue. We love the sound and touch of our piano. Had tried out the clp480 and just couldn´t bring ourselves to buy it. We love the touch and sound of our grand. Can you recommend the best option for us? We are advanced classical players. Thank you. Chris

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  22. Chris,
    You may email me directly and then I would be happy to give you specific piano buying advice.
    Thank you.

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  23. Thanks for your very informative blog! I am lookng for a great sounding piano in a gloss black finish ans am trying to decide between the Yamaha CLP 330, Yamaha CLP440 and the Kawai CS3 . Which would you go for?
    Abby

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  24. I would be happy to answer your specific question if you would email me directly.

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  25. Hello we are trying to decide between the CLP 440 and the Kuwai CS3 both in high gloss finish. It is for our 3 children that have all started piano lessons. We are in Australia. Which one would you advise us to purchase. Thank you

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  26. You may email me directly and then I can answer that particular question

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  27. Interesting point about the Roland escapement feature. Does it have the same behaviour as in a grand, i.e. letting you know where you are in key travel for really quiet playing?

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  28. The answer to your question is...YES...it pretty much does behave that way although there are various escapement movements and adjustment on different acoustic grand pianos. But overall you do feel that and also on many of the Kawai digital pianos.

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  29. Hi Tim,
    great series of reviews and you actually convinced me to cancel my order on clp 465GP
    because of the stiff and unrealistic keys action. I have RD700GX and I love the PHII action with escapement, big difference.

    But now I am stacked - need baby grand to my living room and not sure go with low ends korean acoustics like samick or some hybrids...what would you rather?

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  30. what is the difference between linear graded action found in clp 480 and gh3 actio
    thank you

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  31. How does the CLP-S408PE compare to the CLP-470PE which is close to identical in features. Both have linear graded action GH3 keyboards although at the store the 408 felt somewhat more responsive and lighter to the touch.

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  32. Hi Tim
    I love your website; great info. I live in WA and am looking for a digital piano on Craigslist for under $1000. My daughter is a beginner but my husband is not so I don't want to replace it in a few years. What do you think of these models?
    YAMAHA CLP 123
    YAMAHA CLP 920
    yamaha clp 30
    Casio CELVIANO AP-200
    SUZUKI HP-80
    SUZUKI C-11
    I really appreciate your feedback.
    Julie

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  33. Great blog. Just purchased an avantgrand n2. All of the headphones on the yahama website have been discontinued. Which headphones would you recommend? Thanks.

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  34. Sony MDR7506 headphones for about $100 is a great one in that price range. For higher price range there are also other good choices.

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  35. If i have an opportunity to buy a used CLP 330, would you recommend this? My son is 5 and currently taking lessons. I would love to have something better for him to practice on but wonder if I need an all new model.

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  36. Sure that would be a good purchase...just depends on price along with actual age & condition

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  37. hello tim
    i want to buy some digital piano for my son (he 6 year old)he never learn it before but i want something he can use for several years
    i look for some thing arould $2,500
    and also i see cristofori acoustics piano that one the price almost the same ($2500)
    can you please recoment a few of them
    thank you

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  38. Why not to but an acoustic piano and problem solved. I mean why going through all the trouble trying to find one that sounds as close as but not quite as....Just make an extra effort and buy the real thing.

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  39. Great blog!
    I live in British Columbia, Canada and just received my CE220 Kawai piano. I based my decision on your reviews and am not disappointed!
    I would have settled for a lower end Yamaha had I not read your blog. Even with the shipping costs, customs charges and taxes the price of the Kawai came in at substantially less than what I would have had to pay for a Yamaha of the same quality and features as the CE220.
    I am so very pleased with the sound quality of the Kawai as well as the additional features!
    Thank you so much for taking the time to post your reviews!

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  40. HiHi, would like to know if a Yahama Clavinove CLP 470 is fit for my 5 years old child to practice for exam or not? Can this digital piano used up to grade 5 or above?
    Many thanks

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  41. I am planning to buy a yamaha clavinova 430 for my 6 yrs old son., he's just starting piano lesson.for a price of $2100? is it worth it?or is there a better one for that price range?

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  42. The Yamaha CLP430 is a very nice piano. I would also recommend you condier two other new model pianos which are less money and offer more than enough for a beginner all the way through to a high skill level. Go here (copy & paste in your address bar) to the following links to read my reviews on these other pianos:
    http://azpianonews.blogspot.com/2012/01/review-kawai-ce220-digital-piano.html

    http://azpianonews.blogspot.com/2012/10/review-casio-px850-privia-digital-piano.html

    You may also email me if you want more details



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  43. Thank you very much for your prompt reply. It's much appreciated specially that it's out first time to buy piano.

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  44. I have a choice to make between the Kawai CA-95 or a CLP-430 or maybe a CLP-470. They are all in approx the same price range.
    The Kawai's action and design pleased me and places it well above the Yamaha's. The Yamaha clp range also looks outdated, but that could be an impression only. I also consider a Roland HP-503 or HP-507 as a good candidate.

    It's difficult as a starting piano player to buy an instrument that will please me on longer term. An acoustic (Yamaha B range) is no option as it would be placed in the living room and I don't think my family would appreciate my daily practice.

    What's your professional advice ?

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  45. Thanks for this blog Mr. Praskins. Lots of info and advice of different pianos/digital pianos. Much appreciated.

    Greetings from Ecuador.

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  46. I'm looking for something as close as possible to a cabinet with the feel and sound of a concert grand. I'm not interested in the other voices etc. My budget is around $ 1000. Would you recommend Kawai cl 26 or Casio models

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  47. You are dreaming! What you are asking for is like trying to make a basic hamburger taste and act like a restaurant quality steak...cannot be done. What you can get is a nice piano playing experience in a digital piano for about $1000. But a concert grand replacement...not going to happen...keep dreaming:). A Kawai CL26 or Casio PX850 will be just fine for a good playing time.

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  48. I am trying to decide between the Roland 503, Yamaha 440 and 430. I like the synthetic ivory usd in the 440, but I do not know if I feel the other features make up for the $600 price difference. The Roland is about $200 less than the 440.

    Any recommendations

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  49. Hi Very good review I am looking for digital piano for my kids price does not matter . kindly suggest a make and. Model. We where thinking of yamaha CLP or cvp. I live in Canada is getting from US a cheaper and a better option.

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