Wednesday, November 23, 2011

Beware - Digital Pianos in Attractive Furniture Cabinets at LOW PRICES doesn't necessarily mean Good Pianos

There are some digital piano manufacturers who know that they can put cheap electronics and key action movements inside very attractive piano cabinets and sell them for a low price that way. And the sad thing is, many people will buy them that way too. Mini or Micro Digital Baby Grands & polished hi gloss wood or black finish vertical cabinets for a low price get a buyers attention. Then you expect that the piano will sound and play as good as it looks. In many cases nothing could be further from the truth. So do yourself a favor and find out from an experienced digital piano pro like me what really makes a piano sound and play good and what can make them bad. You are spending good money and want a good product so don't jump into something just because you see a pretty picture and find a few good customer/owner reviews on them. Believe it or not, many people who own these nice looking piano shaped objects (as I call them) don't necessarily know what they are talking about. So don't make a mistake you may later regret. Get a piano that really functions like a piano. You'll be glad you did.
 
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Monday, November 21, 2011

REVIEW - Adagio KDP8826, XDP400, & KDP88 Digital Pianos - Looks beautiful but NOT Recommended

UPDATED REVIEW - Feb 15, 2013 - NOT RECOMMENDED - I would not buy these pianos nor recommend them for a few different reasons. The Adagio (KDP8826 - left pic) digital cabinet piano is a piano brand which is distributed by the Kaysound company of Canada. Although Kaysound is headquartered in Canada, they have a US distribution office/warehouse in New York which distributes into the US. As a distribution company, Kaysound does not actually make pianos. They buy them pre-made from a digital piano company in China and put the name "Adagio" on the piano, so the piano is purely a Chinese manufactured and designed piano (being made in China is fine as long as the instrument sounds and key actions are good, which they are not in these models) and the actual name of that Chinese company is called Ringway Tech Company. Ringway produces many different musical instruments and products for other distributors worldwide and the same Adagio named pianos are also sold under other names in different countries (same pianos, different names). All suggested list prices (not actual discount selling prices) for these pianos are set up by the Kaysound/Adagio company and in my opinion should not be seen as an indicator of the true value of these models, as that is purely subjective. 

The Adagio KDP8826 polished ebony version and XDP400 (left pic) imitation satin rosewood version (same pianos, different color and finish), are sold almost exclusively through Costco at $999 & $799 respectively in the US, and none of the Adagio digital pianos offered by Costco in the US can actually be seen or played in a store, therefore the consumer has to buy one sight unseen. Sams Club also offers the KDP8826 piano for sale, only in the polished mahogany finish at $998, but that model also has to be ordered sight unseen. In many cases it's OK to order sight unseen and/or untested if the item comes from a well known piano company with a history of creating or supplying good products. But Costco and other retail companies may not necessarily understand what makes a good piano and offers them because they look good and are a low price (this would include the Suzuki brand too, which I do not recommend at this point).

I have seen and played the KDP8826/XDP400 model and know exactly how it stands up to other brands and what is good and bad about it. Firstly, it comes in a very nice attractive polished ebony cabinet with built-in sliding key cover and matching bench. The styling is very nice, construction seems to be good, and it's fairly easy to assemble out of the box. The piano is user friendly and has a nice, easy to read LCD display screen (upper left pic). There are 128 individual instruments and sounds as well as percussion. Also included are 114 arranger chord styles with drums which can be fun to play (assuming you know how to use that feature). The internal audio system is 80 watts with 4 speakers (according to Adagio) which makes this piano plenty loud. So the good parts of this piano is that it looks great, can play loud if necessary, and there are more sounds and features then the average digital piano in this price range. So far based on all that, this piano looks like it could be an excellent buy.

However, THE primary reasons someone should buy a digital piano is for the ability of the piano to accurately (as much as possible) reproduce a natural, realistic acoustic piano key touch, smooth sound response, proper dynamics & expression, and good acoustic quality piano tone along with a reasonably quiet movement of the keys. The Adagio KDP8826/XDP400 does almost none of these things well or even good in my opinion. Although it's nice having some of the other fun features, they are and should be very secondary to what the instrument can do as a piano. Here are the reasons I say this.

Firstly, there are 2 acoustic piano sounds on this model which are called Grand piano & Bright piano. When playing on a regular piano as well as any name brand digital piano in this price range, the piano sound is supposed to change not only in volume (louder/softer) as you press the key harder or easier, but the tone itself is supposed to change in character with changes in brightness and mellowness as well as various overtones and nuances in the sound. Those are just a few details that make a piano sound good and is referred to as "dynamic range."The Adagio has just one piano sound no matter how hard or soft you press the key. It does change volume from soft to loud, but no changes in tonality or dynamic range. In other words, the piano sound (either Grand or Bright piano) is the same all the time on any style of music using any dynamics. This is not a good thing and not the way acoustic pianos behave.

There are five levels of touch sensitivity that you can change and set, but this feature has to do with different levels of volume response as you play the keys, and not with dynamic range or changes in tone. Touch sensitivity levels are there in case you normally play the keys too hard or too soft and you want to have a different level of volume for your particular touch. This feature is very common in digital pianos. Also, the piano sound itself on this piano is quite choppy as you play a song using single notes and chords (multiple notes) and has more of a staccato (shorter) sound as opposed to smooth and legato (longer), even when using the sustain damper pedal. The pedal sustain does allow for half-pedaling "gradual sustain," but this does little to alleviate the somewhat choppy sound that normally occurs when playing a song, especially when trying to play lightly or softly. The mark of a good piano is how the dynamics and sound responds when playing delicately and/or quietly, not just loud or harder. The Adagio does not pass the test at all in that way, and my test is fairly easy to pass.

The piano key movement on the Adagio pianos is definitely weighted more like a regular acoustic piano, so that is good and most people think this alone is what makes for a good playing experience. However, the key action movement is quite noisy and clunky, especially in the upper part of the keyboard. This is particularly distracting when playing the piano at low volumes or using headphones. The key movement noise when the keys hit bottom or come back up can easily be heard throughout the room or house and is very annoying. It's like there isn't enough felt cushion under the keys to dampen the sound of the keys going up and down. When you play the piano at louder volumes this situation isn't as noticeable, but you shouldn't have to do that just to cover up that annoying key noise which most other good digital pianos don't have. Perhaps my ears are more sensitive than others, but I doubt it. If you have little experience with good digital or acoustic pianos, you may not notice this at first on the Adagio, but after awhile, you probably will.

This Adagio piano can be fun to play using the drum patterns and chord backgrounds but most people buying these pianos do not use those features or don't know how. The piano is able to layer and split instrument sounds together which is good, and this is more more than some other pianos can do in this price range. However, with only 64 notes of polyphony (sound memory), when you layer two instrument sounds together, the lack of memory causes the two sounds to lose notes and drop out while playing songs, depending on how you're playing. A larger 96-128 note polyphony memory that is on many other digital pianos would be better overall, but in this price range it's acceptable.

There is no USB computer plug & play output on the Adagios nor can you play General MIDI song files, which is very useful and available only on the Casio AP620 furniture cabinet piano in this price range. I use them in my piano studio for lessons and General MIDI song accompaniments are very useful for practicing lessons. There are separate reverb and other controls as well as 1-track recording (which is basic) and a key transpose feature, but ultimately what the piano is and has is an inexpensive sound & rhythm control panel built into a very nice looking cabinet with a functional but clunky, noisy piano weighted keyboard having very nominal piano sounds that aren't any better than popular $200 keyboards I have played recently. As a pure piano replacement...it is not. There are much better digital piano alternatives in that price range when it comes to a good piano tone, action movement, tonality, etc from brands like Yamaha, Roland, Kawai, & Casio although may not be as "pretty or impressive looking."

The warranty on the Adagio pianos is 2 years parts & labor which is good, however it is not for in-home service, which can be very inconvenient. The owner is responsible for any shipping or delivery charges of the piano to and from a service center assuming one is nearby. The KD8826 piano is large, heavy and delicate because of the high gloss finish. I would not want to move this piano if I could help it because of potential damage. So when it comes to the repair warranty, I would just ask Costco or Sams Club to replace it (assuming they can and will) if you bought it there. But doing that would require a lot of effort on your part and you'd be without a piano for awhile until that could be done.


I would also caution people in buying the Adagio KDP88 piano at Costco for $499 (left pic). Although this piano looks better and is slightly less money than the competition (Yamaha & Casio), it is very deficient in the same areas as the KDP8826, and that would not be good. Any good Casio or Yamaha 88-key piano weighted digital piano would be a much better choice than the Adagio KDP88. However, you don't have to take my word for it because this is just my opinion based on the fact I am an experienced piano teacher and musician with a good knowledge of digital pianos and how they should play. If you just want this piano because it's a cheap price and looks good, then go for it.

However instead of the Adagio, I would recommend buying a Yamaha DGX640, YDP135R, YDP142, YDP162, Casio PX750, PX780, PX850, or PX350, Roland RP301 or Roland F120, Korg LP350, Kawai EP3, CE220 or CN24. All of these Japanese companies produce much better digital pianos for key action and realistic tone as well as having a better name and numerous service agents in the United States. Casio & Kawai also offer 3 year in-home service which is really great.

There is an old saying that you cannot judge a book by its cover, and although the covering is very nice on the Adagio pianos, those pianos are sorely lacking in the areas that really count. I am sorry to disappoint some people by this negative review, but this is a free country and you are certainly welcome to purchase this brand of digital pianos, but I would personally not do that. If you have low musical expectations, can live with the deficiencies of these pianos, or just like the way it looks so much that you don't care about the rest of it, then buy it if that can make you happy. But for a piano student, a player, or someone who wants to grow into this instrument as a piano, along with some fun stuff, I suggest you look elsewhere.

As for the nice shiny gloss furniture style cabinet on the KDP8826 or attractive satin rosewood or brown cabinets on the XDP400 & KDP88, that's really what these Adagio pianos are all about and that's why Costco and Sam's Club offer them. They know people will order things that look attractive even if they have never tried them out. Yes, you can return these instruments to the stores if you don't want them, but everyone knows that is a very big hassle to take the pianos apart and rebox them and actually return them. These stores are counting on you to keep them and that's normally what people wind up doing with large purchases like this. If you really want a piano that plays and sounds like a piano, then just be careful what you choose.

By the way, if you see positive reviews out there (and there are some) by people who say they love these pianos and that the piano tone and touch is very realistic to them, then it would be my opinion those people have never or seldom played a real acoustic piano because if they had, they would not be so positive about the Adagio piano. But I guess the old sayings are true ..."what you don't know won't hurt you," and "ignorance is bliss." You can take your chances with the Adagio pianos and perhaps you'll enjoy your experience, but I would not recommend them to any of my students or friends because I would want them to be able to grow into the instrument and be able to play correctly instead of develop bad habits and grow out of the instrument. Perhaps in future models, this brand will be worth owning, but not now.

If you want more info on these and other pianos and lower prices than internet or store discounts, please email me at tim@azpianowholesale.com or call me direct at 602-571-1864.

Wednesday, November 9, 2011

REVIEW - Korg SP250 Digital Piano - Good but has older technology

UPDATED REVIEW - April 20, 2013 - The SP250 is now discontinued and no longer being made. My review of new replacement models called the SP280 can be found here: Korg SP280 Review

Review of the Korg SP250 - Partially Recommended - Korg is a leader in pro keyboards they have produced some great ones over the years, and I know them well. Korg used to produce many home digital pianos, but in recent years has all but gotten out of that market (except for the recent addition of the lower priced SP170S at $499 internet price).
The Korg SP250 piano (pic left) was first introduced 7 years  years ago in 2005. The SP250 has a very nice stereo sound system with 22 watts total power using two 4" speakers the top side of the piano. The 22 watt internal audio power on the SP250 is still more powerful than the competing new Casio or Yamaha portable models in its price range, so that's a nice plus. The sound buttons feel good and work well, the control panel is user friendly, the key action is solid, and the piano has 1/4" outputs which can be useful if wanting to plug into an external sound system. And although the stand on the SP250 is fairly sturdy, in my opinion it's not that attractive for a home, so this could be a disadvantage as compared to what Yamaha & Casio has to offer (furniture style stands with 3-pedals) in the same price range.

When the Korg SP250 first came out back in 2004/2005, it was selling for about $900 and was my favorite digital piano under $1000 at the time. Yamaha, Roland, and Casio did not have anything to really compete with it. I do like the stereo piano tone especially in the bass portion of these pianos although the treble piano sounds on the upper 3 octaves are a bit plunky (short and muted sounding on some notes, a little bit odd) when playing staccato style or using the included pedal. It has fairly realistic piano key action although the new Yamaha P95 & Casio PX130/330 are better in my opinion. The polyphony is OK at 60 notes for one sound although polyphony is especially important and when you layer two sounds together at the same time which this Korg cannot do very well.because the notes start dropping out quickly.

These days, the SP250 is still available from Korg and has not changed and is the only piano that I know of that is still offered by a major keyboard company that is technologically old. I suppose that's OK because the piano still compares favorably in some ways with a few of the newer piano brands and models, and the internet price on the SP250 has come down in the past few years to $695 including the metal stand. 

However, as with all technology, things change and mostly improve. Seven year old digital technology is considered by most people to be outdated, and in certain ways this Korg piano is no exception. Polyphony, which generally allows the notes to play more smoothly especially when playing more complex music or using layered sounds, has increased since seven years ago when this instrument came out. Increased polyphony which is due to increased and better computer memory is now available on other brands such as the new Casio Privia PX130 at $499 with 128-note polyphony. A USB output is also very good to have on a digital pianos so you can more easily connect to a computer and that feature is not on the Korg's. Even the new Korg SP170S at $499 has 120 notes of polyphony, twice that of the SP250.

There are 3 different acoustic piano sounds on the SP250 which are grand piano, bright piano, and mellow piano and they are different from each other. They sound pretty convincing except in the upper octaves when playing normally or lightly. That's where the realism of the piano tones give out and sound electronic and plunky. The electric piano sounds aree very convincing and really sound as well as the organ sounds.

The SP250 does have velocity key sensitivity controls for light, medium, and hard key touch, but this has nothing to do with acoustic piano tonal characteristics and changes. Sensitivity refers to how much finger strength you need to apply to the keys to get note volume control depending on how hard you press on the keys. The sensitivity simply allows the piano to play louder if you have a very light finger touch (lack of finger strength due to loss of muscle, arthritis, or a young child with little finger strength yet), or if you have a very hard, aggressive touch and don't want the sound to come in too strong too quickly. Key sensitivity can help control and adjust for those things and just about all good digital pianos available today have that feature.


The SP250/LP350 do have a good amount of nice instrument sounds on it (30), and the piano can layer any two sounds together (no split function) along with having good reverb, & chorus effects and also is able to change keys with a transpose feature. However, these pianos do not have the ability to record and/or playback your music. That feature is available on all the other digital piano brands in this price range and can come in very handy when learning to play or wanting to play along with a song that you recorded on either left or right hand. And some digital pianos in this price range allow you to playback pre-recorded lesson songs from lesson books which can very very helpful.

Casio PX750 digital piano
At the end of the day, you can enjoy playing the SP250 as it is fun to play (even with older digital technology), but there are certainly other options with better polyphony, better key actions, full tonality changes when playing from soft to hard, USB outputs, higher wattage speaker systems, etc in similar price ranges. If you are a piano student or just want a more authentic piano playing experience, the SP250 may not be the piano for you, but if you cannot tell the difference between what a piano is supposed to sound & feel like as you play it, then the Korg would be fine and certainly is affordable for most families. Check out my reviews on other models including the Kawai EP3, Casio PX850, Casio PX150, Casio PX350, Casio PX750 ($799 internet price - left pic), Yamaha P105, and Yamaha YDP142 as examples of what else is available with some of these newer digital piano features.

Casio PX350 digital piano
As I mentioned earlier, the new Casio Privia PX150 for about $700 including stand has 128 note polyphony, distinct tonal changes over key velocity & time, a graduated upright piano weighted key action, a USB plug & play computer output, and weighs just 24 pounds by itself without stand & pedals. That model should also be a consideration as well as the more advanced PX350 ($799 internet price - pic left). In addition to what the Casio PX150 has, the PX350 (above left pic) also offers an intuitive LDC display screen, 250 instruments, drums, plays & records General MIDI song files over 16 individual tracks, and has stereo audio inputs & outputs along with being able to split, layer and edit various tones including saving them into 64 memories. The keyboard can even be divided into two identical 44-note keyboards for dual simultaneous piano play such as teacher/student, etc. Not bad for $799.

Playing piano is supposed to make you (and/or your audience) feel good and as far as I'm concerned that's what it's all about. If you think you could be happy with the Korg piano then I recommend you buy it. Also, check out the following reviews of other pianos:

Yamaha P105 Review
Yamaha YDP142 Review
Casio PX150/350 Review
Casio PX750 Review 

If you want more info on these and other pianos and LOWER PRICES than internet discounts, please email me at tim@azpianowholesale.com or call direct at 602-571-1864.

Sunday, November 6, 2011

REVIEW - Korg LP350 & SP250 digital pianos - Oldie but a Goodie, with some important exceptions

UPDATED REVIEW - April 20, 2013 - The SP250 and LP350 are now discontinued and no longer being made. My review of new replacement models called the SP280 and LP380 can be found here: Korg SP280 & LP380 Review

Review of the Korg SP250 & LP350: The Korg musical instrument & pro music products company is famous worldwide for producing outstanding workstation keyboards (ie: Korg Kronos), pro synths, arranger keyboards, and various musical devices that help musicians produce better, more exciting music. I have played many, if not most of the keyboards and digital pianos they have produced over the years and know them well. Korg used to produce a vast array of home digital pianos but in recent years, has all but gotten out of that market (except for the recent addition of the lower priced SP170S at $499 internet price).

The Korg SP250 (pic left) & LP350 (pic below left) that I am reviewing here were first introduced 8 years and 5 years ago respectively. Both models are identical in every way except that Korg came out with the LP350 cabinet version of the SP250 portable stage version about 3 years after the SP250 so they could have the piano in a furniture style cabinet with 3 traditional foot pedals. However as I just mentioned, both pianos are otherwise identical in every way including the stereo sound system (22 watts total with two 4" speakers), although the speakers are positioned below the keyboard on the LP350 instead of on top of the keyboard as in the SP250. The 22 watt internal audio power on the SP250 is still more powerful than the competing new Casio or Yamaha portable models in its price range, so that's a nice plus. The sound buttons feel good and work well, the control panel is user friendly, and the pianos have 1/4" outputs which can be useful if wanting to plug into an external sound system. And although the stand on the SP250 is fairly sturdy, in my opinion it's not that attractive for a home, so this could be a disadvantage as compared to what Yamaha & Casio has to offer (furniture style stands with 3-pedals) in the same price range.

When the Korg SP250 first came out back in 2004/2005, it was selling for about $900 and was my favorite digital piano under $1000 at the time. Yamaha, Roland, and Casio did not have anything to really compete with it. I like the stereo piano tone on the SP250/LP350, especially in the bass portion of these pianos, although the treble piano sounds on the upper 3 octaves are a bit plunky (short and muted sounding on some notes, a little bit odd) when playing staccato style or using pedal. These pianos have fairly realistic piano key action for their prices and feel good to play. The polyphony note memory is OK at 60 notes although polyphony is especially important when you layer two sounds together at the same time, which these pianos are not able to do very well because the notes start dropping out quickly. Even the newer lower priced Korg SP170S ($499 internet price) has 120 notes of polyphony, double that of the SP250/LP350.

These days, the SP250/LP350 are still available from Korg and they have not changed and are the only pianos that I know of that are still offered by a major keyboard company that is technologically old. I suppose that's OK because the pianos still compare favorably in some ways with a few of the newer piano brands and models, and the internet price on the SP250 has come down in the past few years to $695 including the metal stand. The LP350 (furniture style cabinet) price is $999 internet price and I have played that piano as well. Korg offers it in a black cabinet and also in a nice looking white cabinet.

Casio PX750 Piano
However, as with all technology, things change and mostly improve. Seven year old digital technology is considered by most people to be outdated, and in certain ways these Korg pianos are no exceptions. I would not be surprised if Korg either updates these models one day soon or perhaps discontinues them altogether if they cannot keep up with the competition and lose sales. Polyphony, which generally allows the notes to play more smoothly especially when playing more complex music or using layered sounds, has increased since seven years ago when this instrument came out. Increased polyphony which comes with increased and better computer memory and polyphony is now available on other brands such as the new Casio Privia PX750 at $799 (above left pic) with 128-note polyphony. A USB plug & play output is also very good to have on a digital pianos so you can more easily connect to a computer or iPad, and that feature is not on the Korg's.

There are 3 different acoustic piano sounds on the SP250/LP350 which are grand piano, bright piano, and mellow piano and they are different from each other. The dynamics and expression that you can achieve with these tones using the Korg piano weighted keyboards are fairly good for their age and price range and are normally sufficient for most students or players looking for a good piano in a low price range.

The SP250 & LP350 do have velocity key sensitivity controls for light, medium, and hard key touch, but this has nothing to do with acoustic piano tonal characteristics and changes. Sensitivity refers to how much finger strength you need to apply to the keys to get volume, depending on how hard you press on the keys. The sensitivity simply allows the piano to play louder if you have a very light finger touch (lack of finger strength due to loss of muscle, arthritis, or a young child with little finger strength yet), or if you have a very hard, aggressive touch and don't want the sound to come in too strong too quickly. Key sensitivity can help control and adjust for those things and just about all good digital pianos available today have that feature.

Kawai EP3
These Korg pianos have a good amount of nice instrument sounds on them (30), and the instrument can layer any two sounds together (no split function) along with having good reverb, & chorus effects and also is able to easily change keys with a transpose feature. I especially like the electronic/digital piano sounds on these Korg instruments as they sound very realistic as do some of the organ sounds. But as far as the acoustic piano sounds go, they don't sound very good on the last couple of octaves, especially when playing softly or lightly. The piano tones are just not very good up on those keys. But that is to be expected with older digital piano technology.

But at the end of the day, you can enjoy playing these Korg pianos as they are fun to play (even with older digital technology), but there are certainly other piano options with better polyphony, better key actions, full tonality changes when playing from soft to hard, USB outputs, etc in similar price ranges. If you cannot tell the difference in what a piano is actually supposed to sound & feel like as you play it, then the Korg pianos could be fine and certainly are affordable for most families and better than some other brands I have played, so I do recommend these models overall. Check out my reviews on other recommended models including the Kawai EP3 (pic above left), Yamaha YDP142, Yamaha P155, Casio PX850 (above left), and Casio PX750 & PX780 as examples of what else is available that has some of these newer digital piano features.

Casio PX780 Piano
Casio PX780
As I mentioned earlier, the new Casio Privia PX750 for $799 including stand and 3-pedal system, has 128 note polyphony, more distinct tonal changes over key velocity &amp (has a 3-sensor key piano weighted action); time, a graduated upright piano weighted key action, a USB plug & play computer output, and weighs just a bit over 70lbs. That model should also be a consideration as well as the more advanced PX780 ($999 internet price - pic left) with in addition to what the PX750 has, also offers an intuitive LDC display screen, 250 instruments, drums, plays & records General MIDI song files over 16 individual tracks, and has stereo audio inputs & outputs along with being able to split, layer and edit various tones including saving them into 64 memories. The keyboard can even be divided into two identical 44-note keyboards for dual simultaneous piano play such as teacher/student, etc. Not bad for $999.

Check out the following reviews on other digital pianos:

Kawai EP3 & Yamaha P155 piano review
Casio PX780 Review
Casio PX850 Review
Yamaha YDP142 Review

If you want more info on these and other pianos and LOWER PRICES than internet discounts, please email me at tim@azpianowholesale.com or call direct at 602-571-1864.