Tuesday, December 20, 2011

REVIEW - Yamaha YDP135R & YDP141 Digital Pianos - Very Nice with good piano tone & touch

UPDATED REVIEW - February 10, 2013 RECOMMENDED - The Yamaha YDP141 is now discontinued and the new 2013 model Yamaha YDP142 has taken its place. The YDP142 has significant new upgrades and you can read about this new model on my blog review here: Yamaha YDP142 Review.

YDP135R & YDP141 Review: Yamaha has a series of furniture style cabinet digital pianos priced under $2000 called Arius and they have been on the market for awhile. There is the Arius YDP135R, 141, 161 (now replaced by the YDP162), 181, and V240. However, Yamaha has not had an Arius furniture style piano selling for under $1000 in its current lineup of home digital pianos until now and those models are called the YDP135R (left pic - internet priced at $999) and the older YDP141 with a newly reduced internet price of $999. These two pianos are essentially the same instrument except the recording and data storage capacity on the 135R is smaller, but they are otherwise the same pianos including having half-damper gradual sustain pedaling. Half damper simply means that when you press the sustain pedal down, you get partial graduated sustain instead of just an on & off sustain like the off-brands such as Williams, Suzuki, Adagio, etc (which I do not recommend). On & off sustain is OK in many playing situations but not as desirable because regular acoustic pianos have half-damper ability and it's important to try to duplicate an acoustic piano touch & tone as closely as possible.

The YDP135R has the same audio power and speaker system as the YDP141 (2 speakers & 12 watts total power), the same sounds (six), same key polyphony memory (64-note), the same key action (GHS) which is nice, the same cabinet, the same control panel and basically the same features.

The biggest advantage that I see in the YDP141 is that is has two tracks for recording instead of one which is nice to have. That means you can record a left hand part and then play it back while playing the right hand part live along with it or record right hand part and play it back while playing left hand along with it. Or you can record and playback both parts. That can be useful when practicing with two hands and wanting separate parts. The newer YDP135R (upper left pic with cover closed and with bench) just records on one track for both hands at once or you can record one hand part and play it back while playing the other hand live. But you cannot record both hands independently and play them back together or store that song either. So as far as recording goes, the YDP141 is better. Both instruments sound good as a pianos but only have a total of 6 instrument sounds (which is not many), plays good (although the audio power at just 12 watts total could be better), and they come with a matching padded bench. The piano finish is attractive in a darker brown rosewood.


Casio PX750
Another very good digital piano option in this price range that I recommend is the brand new Casio Privia PX750 piano (left pic). Go here for my review of that model: Casio PX750 Review. This piano has 18 instrument sounds with a front facing control panel (Yamaha is on the left side of the keyboard), 16 watts of total stereo power as opposed to 12 watts in the Yamaha's, comes in an attractive compact satin black, satin brown, or satin white cabinet (brown & white available in January) with new front speaker projection for a very impressive overall volume, has the upgraded ivory & ebony feel keytops that simulates real ivory & ebony piano keys for a better finger touch along with a high quality graded hammer action movement (similar but even better than the Yamaha YDP181 at $1699), a two track song recorder like the Yamaha YDP141, and the ability to "split the keyboard" into two parts and assign one instrument sound on the left hand and a different sound on the right hand and play them at the same time (very cool). The Casio PX750 is also 128-note polyphonic which means it has twice the piano polyphony memory of the Yamaha 135R & 141 (they are 64-note polyphony). More polyphony translates to a smoother, bigger, more realistic piano sound when playing more complex music or layering two sounds together at one time. And finally, the Casio PX750 has the new high speed USB to iPad/computer output which neither Yamaha has...a very important feature for proper connectivity to expand piano training/practice and have a good interactive playing experience useful for people of all ages and playing skill levels.

Casio PX750
The realism of the Casio's brand new stereo acoustic piano sound is really amazing because it utilizes a 4-level stereo sample as opposed to a 3-level on the Yamaha YDP141 and YDP135. Also, the new Casio acoustic piano sound has much better dynamic range than the Yamaha's (it is very noticeable) with longer natural sustain/decay time. This translates to the things that piano teachers and musicians want which is the ability to have full dynamic expression in your music. That kind of digital piano technology is usually reserved for models priced at $1500 minimum. If you compare all of the specifications of both the Casio PX750 and the Yamaha YDP135R/YDP141, it would appear that the Casio wins out...and at just $799 internet discount price, it's $200 less than the Yamaha YDP135R or YDP141. I think the Casio should be a definite consideration and it comes with a 3 year parts & labor factory warranty. Not only does the Casio PX750 easily beat out the YDP135R &YDP141 in my opinion, except for the more powerful speaker system, it also beats out the the higher priced YDP161 ($1499 internet price) with the Casio having a distinctly more realistic upright piano key action movement along with its new ivory & ebony feel keys not found on the Arius series. When it comes to the furniture cabinet color, my favorite color is satin black and Casio is offering that color in the PX750. Yamaha also offers the satin black color on its YDP161 but not on the lower priced models.If you want to hear what the Casio PX750 sounds like, Casio also has a new piano that will be coming out this April called the PX780 which has the identical acoustic piano sound as the PX750 cabinet model but with a larger internal speaker system and many more educational and fun features. The internet discount price on that new model is $999 and you can read my review of the Casio PX780 here: Casio PX780 review



In the final analysis, the new YDP135R & Yamaha YDP141 are solid contenders and much better digital pianos in their price range than most other brands and I do like and recommend them. But $1000 is still a lot of money, so before you plunk down all that hard earned cash, do your research and be sure you are getting the most for your money based on what you need and want. Yamaha is a great brand and I use Yamaha pianos in my studio, but these YDP141 & YDP161 Arius models are old in technology & playability compared to some of the new stuff out right now as I mentioned above. You can no doubt be very happy with any of these Yamaha pianos especially if you do not play and are starting from scratch, so my advice is to get out there and get a good digital piano in your life because you'll be glad you did.

If you want more piano info and LOWER PRICES than internet or store discounts, please email me at tim@azpianowholesale.com or call direct at 602-571-1864.

Friday, December 16, 2011

REVIEW - Yamaha YPG535 Digital Piano - NOT Recommended for Piano Students, but Fun to Play!

UPDATED REVIEW - Feb 12, 2013 - NOT RECOMMENDED for piano playing! If you are a piano student or recreational player wanting a good accurate and piano weighted  piano key action in a digital piano, I do not recommend the Yamaha YPG535 ($499 internet discount price - left pic) because it does not have the weighted key movement. Yamaha is a great piano company and makes many different models of acoustic & digital pianos, but the YPG535 is really a glorified keyboard with 88-keys. Although the keys themselves look similar to a piano key shape, they actually have the same key movement and feel as a Yamaha 61 or 76-key keyboard which have the lightweight spring-type key actions. The YPG535 is, however, an enjoyable instrument to play just for fun because it has lots of very nice sounds, drum rhythms, chord arrangements, recording features and other fun things that make it a cool instrument to own for both young people and adults. It even sounds somewhat (but not actually) like a piano so it would appear to be a good low priced digital piano. But as far as a realistic weighted piano key touch and acoustic piano resonating tone and dynamics...it's not even close to the real thing and it was not designed to be that way.

Yamaha calls their YPG535 key action a graded soft touch keyboard and that would be true. It's very easy to press the white keys (except for the black keys which are much harder to press because of the stiffer spring mechanism), and that is not what you want if you are interested in developing good piano playing habits and skills. Not only is the key action not a good one for duplicating an acoustic piano touch, but the key polyphony memory (especially useful when playing larger passages of music or layering instrument sounds together) is a low 32-notes which is very outdated technology, but is cheaper price to produce. Normal polyphony memory these days is somewhere between 64 to 256 notes in lower priced digital pianos (under $1500). Also, if you are using the regular acoustic piano tone, it starts sounding like an electric piano as you get nearer to the top octaves. In other words, the piano doesn't reproduce a realistic piano tone in the upper octaves (it's better in the lower octaves) and that's due to the less expensive sound sampling technology in this model.

Also, the piano sound itself has minimal dynamic range (changes in the tone like on acoustic pianos) when trying to get softer mellower tone on up to bright resonate tone when playing at different finger pressure on the keys. When you're progressing as a piano student (or if you already play) more polyphony memory and better dynamic range is needed for playing at a higher skill level (above beginner level) of music including using the piano sustain pedal. The minimum polyphony in any digital piano should be at least 64-notes and the preferable polyphony should be at least 128 notes or more as it is in many other Yamaha digital pianos. If you are and will remain at a beginner skill level, this may not be an issue for you, but hopefully you won't be a beginner forever:)

With regard to the piano pedal, the YPG535 piano only allows the single pedal that comes with it to produce an on & off sustain instead of a graduated (half-pedal) sustaining of notes. This is not the way regular acoustic pianos work and so you should be sure if at all possible that the digital piano you purchase has a "half-pedaling" feature, especially if you hope to go beyond a beginning skill level. Most of the better Yamaha digital pianos do have this feature as well as other good brands including Casio, Kawai, and Roland.

As I mentioned earlier, the Yamaha YPG535 is a fun piano to play, has a cool user interface display (left pic), has good speaker volume, and if you don't care at all about the key action weight and movement being like an acoustic piano or the piano sound being closer to a real piano over the the entire keyboard, then this piano could be a very good option for people who just want lots of cool electronic features, good quality instrument sounds, fun rhythms, interactive user interface, and USB flash drive input and USB output for direct connect to computers.


The better option in a Yamaha digital piano with an upgraded acoustic piano style key action is the DGX640 ($699 discount internet price - includes stand). It has all the cool features (and more) of the YPG535 along with a noticeably more realistic weighted piano key action and much better piano sound. Although it's about $300 more, in my opinion its worth the difference and includes double the key polyphony memory (64-notes, very important). You might also want to check out the new Casio Privia PX350 at $799 (discount internet price - stand optional). In my opinion this piano feels much better in terms of the key action weight and realism than the Yamaha DGX640, it has a huge dynamic range for piano tonality, and has 128 notes of polyphony which is double the polyphony memory of the Yamaha DGX640. However, ultimately either piano would be good to own and lots of fun with many great features. But for the most realistic piano playing experience you can have along with fun educational technology under $1000, the new just released Casio Privia PX350 is definitely my top choice in a more portable instrument and it's something you can keep for many years with out growing out of it. Go here for my PX350 Review: Casio PX350 Review As a long time piano teacher and musician, I can tell you that getting something like a Casio PX350 is a much better way to invest your money as opposed to spending less on something like a Yamaha YPG535 and getting a digital piano that may not do the job.

My goal here is not to list the amount of instrument sounds, rhythms, accompaniments, recording tracks, or other extra features these pianos have because they all do a good job of that. But I want to focus on proper key action movement and piano tone quality & dynamics, which are of primary importance to me and if that's what you are looking for, I would stay away from the YPG535. Be aware that there are always people who will buy these types of pianos (like the 535) and give them good reviews for their touch and tone. However, these people almost always have little to no experience with real acoustic pianos and the way they actually behave when playing them, regardless of what they may say in their consumer reviews.

If you have little or no experience with a digital piano then the YDP535 may seem perfect for you, but in reality could create bad playing habits or hinder your piano playing growth if you use it for very long. It is fine for playing fun or for practicing lessons for a short time, but I would never recommend it to any of my piano students or anyone else wanting a "real piano playing experience." If you want or need an instrument that will allow the student or player to progress in their playing so they can play a piano correctly and adapt easily to a real acoustic piano later down the road (which is a great goal), then I would not recommend the Yamaha YDP535 for that purpose. However, if you want a fun 88-key digital piano instrument and don't really care how the keys respond or move to your finger touch, aren't bothered by the low 32-note polyphony (which can limit the playing of more advanced music), and are easily satisfied with a basic piano sound like on a 61-key Yamaha keyboard, then this Yamaha YPG535 will likely be a good instrument for you.

If you want more piano info and LOWER PRICES than internet or store discounts, please email me at tim@azpianowholesale.com or call direct at 602-571-1864.